UFOs and Paranormal stuff

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Zerieth

Only boo-baby seems to be saying weather ghosts are real or not. I believe they are and heres why.
Within our bodies is energy. Lots of nerve endings shooting power to each other to make us do stuff. I believe that the back wash of that energy is forming around us. Other people can sense that energy, thus us figuring out if someone is standing behind us.
Now according to our laws of energy it never disappears, just changes. So what happens to he energy in our bodies when we bite the dust? The answer is it disburses and over time, fades. Thats why ghosts are formed, why they remember life, and why they must constantly draw energy in. Thats in my opinion.

Interesting theory, but it needs a couple tweaks. Don't take this as me being pedantic, I want you to fix up the theory so it makes sense. It's interesting.

The 'energy' (as is defined in a physical sense) in our body typically comes in three forms:

1) Chemical energy (This is stored as several macronutrients, fats, sugars, proteins, converted to ATP and then released by catabolic processes (Potential energy))
2) Mechanical energy (Typically caused by muscle contraction, the 'energy' contained in moving limbs (Kinetic energy))
3) Waste energy (This is heat given off by muscles..the majority of energy is 'wasted')

Chemical energy is converted into mechanical and waste energy...calorimetry data can demonstrate that this accounts for it all.

Here's how to tweak it: Is there another source for energy? Is it a 'different kind' of energy? Where would it come from? (It wouldn't be from nerve propagation as you suggested, unfortunately).

I also think that we can detect people standing behind us based on certain other things. If they cast a shadow, that's obvious. If not, their motion disturbs the air particles around us, which we can somehow detect (Infact, this is why you can never sneak up on a cat (its whiskers can detect slight changes in air motion)). Not to mention, if someone is in close enough proximity, they raise the ambient temperature. This doesn't disprove what you're saying; It's just that the energy would have to come in some form that is not 'energy' as we have defined it.

And lastly, the energy stored in our bodies leaves our bodies through explicable means: Chemical energy deteriorates in several manners, one of which is known as "Rigor Mortis."

Rigor mortis is basically the uncontrolled release of calcium into your muscle fibres after death. This release of calcium causes a 'sustained' muscle contraction which makes your muscles feel rock solid. This depletes macronutrient energy stores, and eventually when your body runs out of chemical energy: rigor mortis ceases.

The thing to address from this post is: What is this 'energy' you describe, and where does it come from? It would not be the conventional 'energy' we know of from physics and chemistry, and thus it need not obey the law of conservation of energy (ie. energy is neither created nor destroyed).

Infact, here's something to boggle your mind: Did you know Relativity (and specifically, Einstein's "e = mc^2" formula) dictate that mass and energy are not separate entites...but rather different forms of the same thing? (And thus they can be converted from one (mass) to the other (energy))

[SkylerOcon]

Well, I think I can guess what he will say...

The energy that he's talking about is merely the same energy that makes up all the fiction stories about wizards and witches. I mean, we can't create fire or anything, but if we continue to do hard physical activity after the point of exhaustion we use that energy and some of it just lingers about us after we use it.

That's why ghosts are usually people that were in a bloody bout such as murder victims, war soldiers, and other people who did things such as that.

[Zerieth]

Ouch, I am hurt. You got half of that right. However lets talk about electricity. It is scientifically proven that our nerve cells are firing little bits of electricity through our bodies. That was what I was referring to. If I was to take an EMF, Electro Magnetic Field, detector and put it to any part of you, it would spike. Thats because it would be picking up the electricity going through you and that is all it detects. Also it is common belief that a spirit can remain in passing just as you said Skyler. There are several types. A passive haunting, which is just a spirit traveling on its old path just before death. It is not aware of anything around it but does appear accidently. Then there is an active haunting which is a spirit that does know you are there. It is generally trying to get your attention either to get help or just to scare you. And some of the spirits are just normal people who didn't pass on. They don't hurt you but just simply exist. Another common belief is that even though a spirit can remain in passing by itself it has to draw in energy in order to manifest itself, like say something or appear before you or just simply to move an object. When drawing in this power it drops the temperature around it causing a cold spot. You can generally tell that by seeing if one, a draft is causing it and two, it is in a sphere off by itself. If you don't believe that I will just tell you about a few personal experiences I have had.

[Mike]

I fail to see how I was half wrong...though it is true that nerves actually conduct electricity...you're saying electricity = energy? But this is still 'chemical' energy (if you want to be pedantic you can call it "Electrochemical" energy), whose source is ATP and other precursor molecules...which still falls into the categories I've described earlier.

It would have to be something we couldn't detect with some kind of equipment like an EMG, MRI, or the such...if we could detect them, they would be subject to physical laws (like thermodynamics). That's what I was saying earlier.


Off of the sciencey note...what do you think governs a ghost's behaviour? (When is it a 'normal' ghost, when is it a hurtful one?) Do they use the same conscience we do? Is there some other form or body governing it? Do they have a 'brain' like we do, in the sense of generating this energy you're refering to?

[Zerieth]

I mentioned different ghost types. How some are just there, rewalking the path they walked before death. They are not aware of anything around them. The truth is that we don't know much about a ghost, just that they can exist in some cases. Do they live in a seperate world? Do they have brains? Yes it is true that some types react to changes around them but how? If I could answer these questions I would join a ghost hunting group. Not every myth is true and not everyone is made into a ghost. You were half wrong by mentioning witchcraft and fairy tales.

[Zerieth]

SOME ONE POST SOMETHING!!!@#$#

[SkylerOcon]

Well. I've seen ghosts, so I believe in them.

And, I think that we just leave behind energy and if we leave to behind to much, we move on, but a part of us stays here. Same basic stuff as Zerieth, but the outcome is different.

[Zerieth]

Cool! I have friends.

[Sephiroth X Slasher]

Yeha, really good stuff guys on what you think especially on the whole Energies thing, but um Hopefully you guys don't go ot far on the side tangent kay?

New subject: Psychics
I have had instances when I know about certain scences in my life(dreams or experiences) before they happen. So what you think fellas(continue the UFO/ghost thing if you want)

[SkylerOcon]

That's called perfectly normal dreams. Everybody gets those.

I take it as proof that every moment in time is enternally continuing itself, and that every moment we're a new frame, if you will.

Kind of like a flash animation. One moment stays forever.