Abortion

[demon of darkness]

Originally Posted by samibabi

Absolutely! I 100% agree. I believe that human life starts at conception..even if the brain is not yet developed, the soul is already there. So, life is already there. To destroy it is a sin..and I believe it shouldn't be done.

Thank you. Of course someone will come along and say there is no proof that souls exist. Well here is my agrument, There is no proof that they don't exist. To all those who do not beleive in souls, what if the soul does exist? You would be killing a human life. Please for the love of god let's stop killing babies before they ever have the chance to live. I'm so angry at society for allowing abortons to take place. I swear to all of you I will find a way to make abortion illegal and then if someone does have an abortion they will be brutaly punished. I will not allow human life to be thrown away in such a savage, barbaric manner.

[KeyofHope777]

Originally Posted by Zerieth

Argh, Mod!
I have to say that getting "Knocked up" can happen against your will. Look at rape and tell me the victim wanted it cause thats b.s. Also, protection can fail resulting in pregnancy. All women should have the right to abort. And in my eyes its not murder unless it's aware.

Rape can be avoided. If the woman in question didn't put herself in the position to be raped, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant.
That and the failed protection can also be avoided. If you don't want a baby, don't go through the steps unless you are ready to have a baby with or without birth control pills or condems shit happens. And it isn't the baby's fault that it's parents did something stupid so why should you kill it?
If you had a baby on accident and you don't want it, why not have the baby and then put it up for adoption? Then the baby has a chance to live and you don't have to take on the responsibility of parenthood.
Unless the pregnancy is severely endangering the life of the mother or the life of the child, there should be no reason for abortion. Other than that, it's just the mother being selfish and too cowardly to take on the responsibility and pain that comes with pregnancy and labor.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by KeyofHope777

Rape can be avoided. If the woman in question didn't put herself in the position to be raped, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant.

Not to single you out, but this may be the single most chauvinistic comment I've read on the internet...and here's why:

It's simply naive to think every woman can protect herself from every man. Woman can be (and are) forced into the position to be raped...infact, I'd have to say very few (ie. zero) willingly put themselves into a compromised position. (if they did, it would constitute willing sexual intercourse: not rape).

Your comment's a lot like how a friend of mine jokingly says "It's not rape if she enjoys it." ...except he jokingly says that.


Don't get me wrong, I don't think 'rape-produced' fetuses should be aborted either...but to claim it's the woman's fault for getting raped in the first place is absurd. The woman is (typically) the victim.

[KeyofHope777]

Don't get me wrong either. I am not saying it's her fault that she got raped in the first place. I am simply saying that there are quite a few rape cases that could have been avoided if the girl had been a little smarter with her choices. For instance, some guy she's known for maybe a few hours invites her to a party. She knows there will be alcohol at the party and she knows that she will know nobody at the party. Her parents advise against her going to the party but she goes anyway. Everyone gets drunk and she ends up getting raped when she could have avoided the situatoin. There are TONS of cases like that where there were plenty of warnings that she could get taken advantage of and yet she goes there anyway.
It is very little likely that the girl would be just walking around minding her own buisness when some dude all the sudden jumps out of nowhere and takes advantage of her. I'm not saying it never happens because there are also some cases like that but most of the time it is because the victum didn't use her head and got herself into a stupid situation that probably could have been avoided.

[demon of darkness]

Originally Posted by KeyofHope777

Don't get me wrong either. I am not saying it's her fault that she got raped in the first place. I am simply saying that there are quite a few rape cases that could have been avoided if the girl had been a little smarter with her choices. For instance, some guy she's known for maybe a few hours invites her to a party. She knows there will be alcohol at the party and she knows that she will know nobody at the party. Her parents advise against her going to the party but she goes anyway. Everyone gets drunk and she ends up getting raped when she could have avoided the situatoin. There are TONS of cases like that where there were plenty of warnings that she could get taken advantage of and yet she goes there anyway.
It is very little likely that the girl would be just walking around minding her own buisness when some dude all the sudden jumps out of nowhere and takes advantage of her. I'm not saying it never happens because there are also some cases like that but most of the time it is because the victum didn't use her head and got herself into a stupid situation that probably could have been avoided.

I agree. It's not the baby's fault for how it was created. Please we have to stop abortion. It's sick and evil. If one of my freinds were going to get an abortion I would gladly take the baby and raise it has my own instead of it being killed without getting a chance to enjoy life.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by KeyofHope777

There are TONS of cases like that where there were plenty of warnings that she could get taken advantage of and yet she goes there anyway.

No argument there: People (in particular teens) today are pretty nearsighted and for lack of a better word, stupid.

But TONS is not all of them...the 'I've been raped' abortion defense has nothing to do with circumstances leading up to the event; rape is traumatizing. I mean sure, you'll always have people attempting to lie, how many 'rape cases' are actually just cheap frame jobs? (More than zero...) But the exception is supposed to encompass the others, who genuinely felt the pain and suffering associated with rape, for reasons out of their control.

(Don't get me wrong...I don't think abortion should be done in the case of rape. I'm merely saying here that rape is terrible, whether done to a 'stupid' girl or not)

[KeyofHope777]

Ok I see your point but wether or not the baby is aborted the girl is still going to remember getting raped. It's not like the child is the sorce of the memory and it's not like the baby has any guilty hand in on the rape case at all. He is just the product that came across from it so why punish him/her?
I know rape is a traumatizing experience because I know quite a few victims of it but that doesn't mean that it is right to kill the innocent life that came from it.
Have the baby and put it up for adoption if you can't handle parenthood. Like I said before, there really is no need for abortion unless the life of the mother or the life of the child is at risk.

[OverLord Abaross]

I am against the entire thing

[OathkeeperXIII]

You two both have a good point but I have to side with people who are For abortion. I really think it falls under the freedom of speech category.

[RoxasXRiku]

Originally Posted by OathkeeperXIII

You two both have a good point but I have to side with people who are For abortion. I really think it falls under the freedom of speech category.

No one has the freedom to kill innocent babies.